How to win an EFFIE
Ce usor este sa denigrezi pe cineva in Romania…
Ma intorceam dupa un weekend de liniste de la Covasna cand am fost anuntat ca pe blogul Future Lab au aparut acuzatii calomnioase la adresa mea… nu am inteles nimic…
http://blog.futurelab.net/2009/03/how_do_you_win_an_advertising.html
De ce ar da o organizatie prestigioasa intr-un om pe care nu-l cunoaste… acuzandu-l ca denigreaza Effie-ul cand toata cariera lui, acel om a promovat strategia… si Effie-ul ca manifestare de recunoastere a excelentei in advertising…
Am incercat sa raspund dar se pare ca trebuie sa fiu verificat de cineva de acolo :(…asa ca am zis sa-mi scriu dreptul la replica pe propriul blog:
“Dear Sirs,
I am very sorry that a prestigious organization as yours allows this kind of severe accusing to be posted on your blog… without any kind of proof…
I can not believe that somebody can write things like these about my person, without knowing me…maybe the fact that we are far away in Romania made such a thing possible…
I talked about REDUCTION and not about RETROFITTING THE STORY… but it seems that not anybody can understand this difference…
You can create traffic by denigrating persons who dedicated their lives to promoting advertising and Effie …it is your option…
I already adressed my complaints to the local IAA officials and to the Effie Committee for this accusing…
Yours sincerely,
Razvan Matasel”
PS: Legat de Ramona Patrascanu, autoarea acestor acuzatii …m-am adresat IAA-ului, comitetului Effie, precum si APG-ului pentru a cere o rezolvare a acestei situatii…
Cel mai mult ma distreaza fraza urmatoare: “On this blog we assemble the world’s sharpest minds in marketing and strategy innovation. People who spark exceptional insights in their field of expertise and inspire their readers to action. “…sharpest minds… auzi :))
44 Comments to "How to win an EFFIE"
Hahaha tare…si-a si gasit cine sa comenteze de tine :)))
Ce sa zic, da urat la imagine un astfel de comentariu la adresa ta, dar cred ca isi face awareness pe spatele tau :P
Cumva trebuie sa iesi in fata nu? :)))
Hai ca e funny
PS N-ar strica si o notificare oficiala prin care subliniezi calomnia pe care au facut-o…iti recomand pe cineva daca vrei ajutor intr-un demers legal. (Iti mai iei un BMW din daune)
@dragos… chiar am nevoie de cineva sa ma ajute intr-un demers legal… nu o voi lasa asa…
stii ce e funny…cum vor vorbi ei smecherii la un pahar de vin despre MINE!!!!!…citeste UPDATE-ul 2…
si stii ce mai e funny… cum nu lasa ei nici un comment… si le-am scris si eu si cativa oameni de advertising care m-au sunat solidari…
Salut Razvane,
Mi se pare incredibil ce a scris fata aia despre ce ai vorbit tu. Intervin pentru ca nu mi se pare normal ca cineva sa scoata din context niste lucruri si sa inceapa o calomniere pe un site international, mai mult decat atat – la persoana ta. Nu as face-o daca nu te-as cunoaste si daca nu as fi lucrat cu tine. Daca nu ne speriai si ne puneai sa calculam de 10 ori cifrele sa nu cumva sa gresim vreun calcul. Nu mai zic de faptul ca zburam din Leo daca vreodata ne-ar fi venit vreo idee de genul acesta – adica sa modificam vreo cifra sau vreo poveste.
Legat de ce s-a discutat la – “How to win an Effie” – eu nu am auzit nici de la tine, nici de la Mihai Brasan si nici de la Serban Alexandrescu vreun point legat de cum sa rescrii o poveste. Toata lumea a fost focusata pe cum sa gasesti acele elemente care fac diferenta intre un case bine scris si unul mediocru, sa reduci numarul cuvintelor cat de mult poti, sa te concentrezi pe esential si sa izolezi cat poti tu de bine rezultatele. Cred ca cei care nu stiu cu ce se mananca un case de Effie nu prea au inteles despre ce era vorba. Ceilalti – cei care s-au confruntat macar un case in viata lor – au inteles cat de greu a fost izolarea rezultatelor pentru un case ca a lui Serban.
Cred ca ar fi frumos ca toti cei prezenti acolo – mai ales reprezentantii IAA – sa scrie replica la ce a scris fata aceea de pe FutureLab.
Este incredibil si faptul ca cineva isi permite – ATENTIE- sa presupuna cum ca vreodata s-a intamplat ca cineva sa minta intr-un case de Effie, sa modifice sau sa reinterpreteze o situatie din piata. Mai mult decat atat, niciun client nu s-ar risca sa semneze vreun case care are ceva dubios in el. Hai sa nu uitam ca sunt oameni foarte importanti (Clienti – manageri de marketing) care nu isi permit vreo acuza.
eu i-am intrebat daca au avut si o a doua sursa inainte de a face public numele celui invinuit. Si am comentat ca in caz contrar s-ar putea sa-si piarda orice urma de credibilitate ar avea.
Nu mi-au publicat comentariul desi la ceva timp dupa ce l-am submis au scris UPDATE 2.
Ieftin.
@Boti… am aflat ca FutureLab face lobby puternic sa intre pe piata noastra… crezi ca face parte din strategia lor de a demonstra cat de tari si mari sunt ei?
lasa mai …noi discutam pe un blog in Romania iar ei cei care au selectat “mintile cele mai ascutite” beau vin la Bruxelles…
Eh se rezolva Razvan, daca nu ceri sa iti adreseze scuze in public pe blogul lor…n-ai ambitie…asta numai asa ca te-au calomniat si pe deasupra nu ti-au dat nici dreptul la replica…care se da obligatoriu.
De ce intotdeauna cand un nebun arunca o piatra…? Intamplator am fost la acel seminar si n-am auzit nimic pe ‘retrofitting the story’. Si cunoscandu-l pe Razvan stiu ca e ultimul lucru pe care l-ar face. Cred ca cel mai bine lasam verzele de Bruxelles sa se marineze in vinul ‘agreeable’ si sa creasca ‘fashion & lifestyle’-ul in ‘Kazachstan’ (in timp ce invata cum se scrie ‘Kazakhstan’).
IAA-ul de ce nu ia pozitie?, doar au fost acolo reprezentantii IAA si a Comitetului Effie 2009
@george…sunt sigur ca vor lua pozitie…
:-))) corect. In alta ordine de idei, FutureLabs are proiecte in Romania? Daca nu, oare pregateste o intrare? Sa ne asteptam la un post in care si-o iau impreuna Naumovici, Botan si Alexandrescu?
Pe linia corectitudinii si fara a raspunde atacurilor la persona pe care le consider a fi nimic mai mult decat o reactie impulsiva, in multe puncte de-a dreptul amuzanta :), iata si raspunsul oferit raspunsului:
“Dear Mr. Matasel,
There is little proof that can be provided other than the recollection of the 50+ people that were in the room. I am not in the habbit of recording seminars there for I am afraid no such material exists.
However, from the discussion in the room at the time of the statement, in my humble opinion as a person that has never written an Effie case but was trying to understand how the winners do it, your advice was at the very least ambiguous and leading to a less than fortunate conclusion.
Taking into consideration that there were many more people there that were juniors compared to me even, the difference between REDUCTION and RETROFITING was difficult to grasp in your speach and very short of a fit of engineering to walk away with. The fact that the former came into discussion for 10 seconds as opposed to the latter being emphasized for several minutes does not qualify reduction as the take-away of the best practice sharing session.
I would say that the speakers before you made a very clear and argumented point on reduction by singleing out the true (monetary) challenge of their brief, the way they chose to address it in the campaign and the way they built their proof of the efficient solution in the case starting from that crystal clear challenge and crystal clear approach.
The statement in the illustration is a direct quote – the catch phrase of your advice.
In all due fairness, I had advanced the material to you ever since the date of publishing particularly with the objective of allowing you to answer back and turn a brief clash of principles from a seminar room into a well argumented discussion that CAN be traced and later on proven when proof is called for.
Also in due fairness, please note that we did not initially publish your name as we do not wish to start sensless battles (and we certainly do not wish to attack people as opposed to ideas), but that this came as a request from the facilitators of that particular seminar (please see note one for reference; I would add that the note was included March 19th as well).
Perhaps rather than enter in deffensive, you would like to go a bit deeper into how you advise young professionals in regard of writing Effie case studies. I’m sure we would all like to read the extended version of your advice.
Thank you for your answer,
Ramona “
In acelasi spirit al corectitutidinii, raspunsul pentru alte doua persoane din discutie, asa cum a aparut la articolul original:
“Mr. Chiuhan,
We never said that Mr. Matasel or any of his team mates changed or tampered with numbers or results in writing cases. Such a statement would be truly preposterous, without having to mention the well known fact that the numbers are thoroughly audited.
As I stated in my previous comment, this article is not about attacking people and it most certainly is not about Razvan Matasel. The name was a requested input.
This article is a stand against an attitude and a stand against the risk that the young professionals of today might end up turning Effie into a ghosts’ festival, maybe even without realising it. This is the one festival that stood against the current on this subject and the one that can remain 100% sincere.
Perhaps you have worked with Mr. Matasel long enough to understand what he truly meant without him needing to explain his statements. I can assure you not many of the people who were present in that room at that time had this background with the speaker. It was, after all, an open event, designed especially for people who have not dealt with Effie before. As a consequence, these people walked away with the punch line.
These are the people that will be writing tomorrow’s Effie case studies. Do you want to work in an industry where cases are written from the results upwards?
For the third time since March 19th, I renew my invitation to turn what seems to take the shape of a fruitless contradiction into a constructive conversation and I here by ask ALL past, current and future participants to step in and tell the full and real tale on winning an Effie award – the way it is and the way it should be.
Mr Boti,
I assure you the proper journalism trail was followed in the process and that the information was confirmed”
Buna,
Si eu am fost la aceasta intalnire si am fost printre putinii care au ramas pana la sfarsitul seminarului.
Pot sa spun ca am fost in calitate de junior cu dorinta de a afla care sunt cele mai bune practici si cum ar trebui sa scriu probabil viitorul meu studiu de caz pentru aceasta Competitie.
Dupa ce mi s-a explicat foarte clar care sunt reguile competitiei (foarte interesant este faptul ca din acest an se cere neaparat si semnatura Clientului). Mihai Brasan si Serban Alexandrescu mi-au dat un indiciu despre ce inseamna un caz de Effie, care au fost greutatile pe care ei le-au intampinat si cum au reusit sa le depaseasca.
Din pacate Razvan Matasel m-a ajutat sa trag concluziile explicand cum trebuie scris un studiu de caz pentru un concurs dedicat eficientei, adica: sa uitam obiectivele si sa scriem o poveste pornind de la Rezultate. Daca nu avem rezultate, ne-a explicat ce facem: nu mai avem de ce sa participam.
Dar daca rezultatele nu coincid cu obiectivele ce trebuie sa facem?
Cred ca la aceasta intrebare trebuie raspuns.
libertatea punct ro
@oana… nu a zis nimeni sa uitati rezultatele… am discutat despre locul de unde trebuie sa incepi sa scrii un caz… rezultatele… daca nu ai ceva interesant de scris acolo… DA… sfatul meu este sa nu inscrii la Effie… am scris si pe blog imediat dupa…
http://arsenoaieimatasel.ro/?p=499
Asta nu inseamna ca trebuie sa uiti obiectivele…daca iti mai aduci aminte mi-am inceput discursul ca eu o sa vorbesc despre modalitati CORECTE de castigare a Effie-ului…
@ramona… nu am avut dreptul la replica pe “prestigiosul site al bautorilor de vin din Bruxelles” si consider ca ar trebui sa vorbim fata in fata cu niste martori legal calificati…
Razvan, dreptul la replica l-ai avut din ziua publicarii articolului si il ai in continuare. Am mail-ul care o dovedeste daca vrei ca, de data aceasta, sa mergem pe ideea dovezilor scrise. Din moment ce suntem pe acest subiect, chiar te rog sa intorci favoarea de a-mi trimite linkuri in cazul in care postezi si altundeva raspunsuri. Chiar daca monitorizez discutia, este posibil sa treaca cateva ore pana observ aparitiile si ar fi pacat sa pierdem timpul.
Comentariile sunt deschise pe blogul Futurelab si ceea ce ai postat acolo a aparut exact in formula trimisa si reprodusa de tine si aici. Ca intotdeauna, primim cu drag feedback-ul si nu este exclus sa facem un articol de follow-up, la care esti invitatul nostru sa contribui.
Cu mare drag continui discutia in orice cadru doresti, cu 2 rugaminti:
1. sa o si inregistram de data aceasta, pentru a evita repetarea situatiei curente
2. sa o purtam pe argumente, nu pe creativatea apelativelor folosite si a deductiilor ilogice pe langa subiect
Spune-mi doar cand, unde si cu cine vrei sa ne vedem.
Multumesc pentru invitatie,
R>
@ramona… nu stiu despre ce e-mail vorbesti …sincer (dar oricum nice try) …sunt sigur insa ca daca chiar ai fi vrut sa ma contactezi ai fi putut…
asa cum spune si Boti comentariile au aparut foarte tarziu acolo…
daca se dorea un dialog nu as fi fost pus la zid…acuzat de lipsa de etica in aceste vremuri grele :) si cu profilul de pe linkedin publicat :)
iti multumesc ca accepti invitatia… te va contacta o persoana specializata pe astfel de intalniri…
Razvan, acel mail se afla atat in arhiva mea de LinkedIn cat si a ta. Responsabilitatea mea este sa anunt, nu sa vanez pentru a anunta si am folosit calea pe care am considerat-o corecta si care mi-a fost la indemana la acel moment. L-as reproduce aici, dar imi e sa nu ma acuzi ulterior de incalcarea legii privind confidentialitatea corespondentei :)
Nu ma ocup eu de moderarea comentariilor asa ca nu sunt in masura sa iti spun cat de mult a durat aprobarea lor.
Cred ca “pus la zid” este o formula cam dramatica :) Cum spuneam, suntem deschisi la (si asteptam in continuare) raspunsul tau pe subiect.
Profilul de LinkedIn a fost publicat din considerente foarte logice: daca faceam trimitere la blog (pe care il scrii in romana), era irelevant pentru vorbitorii de limba engleza care citeau acel articol.
Astept sa fiu contactata de acea persoana.
Toate cele bune!
R>
@Ramona… eu nu am pe LinkedIn de la tine decat o invitatie pending …”Invitation to connect”…si nu cred ca poti sa trimitzi e-mail daca nu esti in lista mea de Connections …desi eu nu sunt asa de tehnic…
Nu puteam sa iti trimit direct dar te rog sa citesti continutul invitatiei, unde vei vedea atat linkul catre blogul Futurelab cat si invitatia de a raspunde. Nu aveam ok-ul tau sa iti folosesc adresa de mail desi, ai dreptate, puteam face rost de ea iar prin formularul de contact de pe blogul acesta nu aveam certitudinea ca imi va ramane si mie o copie a mesajului.
pentru Oana,
draga Oana, cred ca Razvan se referea la un singur fapt cand a zis cauta cifra – la faptul ca trebuie sa vezi daca ai avut rezultate inainte de a te apuca sa analizezi contextul, cifrele concurentilor, cifrele de media etc etc. pentru simplul fapt sa nu pierzi timpul aiurea. Scrierea unui case dureaza f mult timp, pentru ca trebuie sa compari foarte multe cifre.
Buna Adrian,
realizez ca ciferele sunt importante si banuiesc ca au o pondere foare mare in evaluarea unei campanii. Intrebarea mea este: cat de importante sunt obiectivele campaniei, daca conteaza ca am obtinut ceea ce mi s-a cerut in brief sau nu.
In locul tau nici nu mi-a pune mintea cu Ramona-sharp-mind-have-nothing-to-say.
Just pay a cleaner to do the cleaning ;]
mi-as*
hai sa o spun altfel: cat de mult conteaza sa depasesc obiectivele stabilite in brief. Ce pondere are faptul ca le-am atins sau le-am depasit. Daca nu le-am atins iar rezultatele sunt relevante pentru piata, cazul mai este viabil?
Nu inteleg de ce lasati aceste aspecte in ceata si evitati sa dati un raspuns.
Am cosiderat mai mult decat necesar sa imi spun si eu parerea pe FUTURELAB despre “coecta” opinie a colegei tale (chiar se poate spune asa) avand in vedere ca esti unul dintre specialistii care predau la IAA iar ea unul dintre oficialii IAA Romania.
Mi se pare abject si inca o data se confirma spiritul de “corectitudine” si fratie autohton…
I love spicy Romania:)
Ramona, pe mine m-ai uitat la raspunsuri…
Andrei Says:
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:25 pm
:-))) corect. In alta ordine de idei, FutureLabs are proiecte in Romania? Daca nu, oare pregateste o intrare? Sa ne asteptam la un post in care si-o iau impreuna Naumovici, Botan si Alexandrescu?
@oana… scuze ca nu ti-am raspuns… probabil ca eram prea preocupat sa citesc cum un mare specialist din strainatate recomanda ca industria din Ro sa scape de oameni ca mine…
Sincer nu cred ca ai sanse foarte mari de a castiga daca rezultatele nu depasesc obiectivele initiale…
O conditie necesara la Effie este sa demonstrezi ca prin gandiire strategica ai reusit sa depasesti obiectivele initiale…
@Andrei, da se pregatesc sa intre in Romania:
http://mad.wall-street.ro/slideshow/Media-Advertising/60442/Futurelab-negociaza-primele-contracte-in-Romania.html
si pe blogul Future Lab scrie ca Ramona este: “one of our associates”
Mai e ceva de zis?
“Sunt destul de convins ca exista cativa strategi de marketing in tara asta, dar cel putin perceptia (clientilor – n.red.) este ca nu exista nici un consultant de calibru in strategie de marketing. Si piata are mare nevoie de asta.”
Direct de la Kolle, FutureLab
I-auzi…. :)))
PS Cu ghilimele ca uitasem prima data
@Dragos… foarte funny …acum cred ca nu mai exista niciun dubiu pentru nimeni cum vor sa-si faca entry-ul pe piatza marii consultantzi…
Dear Razvan,
Apparently there has been a bit of misunderstanding regarding the position you took during the seminar. Several people in the room interpreted your words in a way that doesn’t serve the industry, and doesn’t serve you.
As an experienced advertising executive you know how much impact even a few words can have. From your reactions we understand that you are equally committed to improve integrity and transparency in this industry as we are. Therefore we hope to be able to sit together very soon to discuss how we can jointly further these goals.
Of course we would very much hope you would be able to join us at the meeting with the EACA, to see how future misunderstandings of this kind can be avoided. This will also allow you to see that we only very occasionally drink wine, and certainly not while writing our blogposts ;-)
And our offer to you to explain your views unequivocally in writing, around which we will do a follow-up post (which you will be shown for pre-approval to ensure that there are no further misunderstandings) stands firm.
Unfortunately this discussion has invoked a lot of sarcasm and mudslinging, which doesn’t help any of the participants in the discussion. Which is why I hope we can leave this behind us and focus on the way forward.
Stefan Kolle
Partner, Futurelab
mr Kolle
I know Razvan since 1999. We were colleagues, than I was his client, than collegues again. In 2005 I was an Effie jury member; and I witnessed his effort to promote Effie values in RO (2005 was one year before your current associate has started working in advertising and communication). There is no doubt that he is one of the biggest supporters of Effie in RO. And I know many marketing people that can testify on this.
And out of the blue comes somebody and starts throwing mud. Why? For personal awareness?
If you plan to start doing business in RO you should do it the decent way – showcasing your projects, case studies and competencies. And presenting decent associates in front of Romanian marketing people; I’m wondering what kind of marketing consultancy can offer somebody with 2 years experience in the field. And curious – who will pay for this?
Good luck doing business in RO!
Multumesc tuturor pentru sustinere… inseamna ca nu am muncit chiar degeaba…
Opinii interesante si la Boti pe blog…
http://botiblog.ro/?p=478
http://botiblog.ro/?p=477
Dear Mr. Kolle,
I found out yesterday about the issue we are currently discussing. As a marketer and former colleague of Razvan, I have to recognise I am a bit shocked by these acusations.
Unfortunatelly for your distinguished associate, I was one of the people in the room at that seminar and heard nothing about ‘retrofitting’. But, of course, this has relevance as ’some’ interpreted Razvan’s words differently. In the Effie spirit, dare I isolate the ’some’ to ‘one’?
From the posts above, I understand that this is part of your marketing strategy to promote your business in Romania. Hope this is not the case, although I have to recognise its effectiveness.
Kind regards & Best of luck!
Mr Matasel, your speech on Effie-winning also had strong sexual connotations, and you know that. You induced the term „retrofitting” on a subconscious level, I’m sure.
And we all know that by „retrofitting” you actually meant to…retro-fit, to give feedback if you know what I mean, to satisfy from behind some of the Effie jury members, females especially, in order to win.
Scandalous.
Dear Mr. Kolle,
The board of APG Romanian works hard to improve the quality of planning process and general activity of this discipline. In this respect, we are working to develop a guide of good practice in writing Effie cases. Together with Stefan Stroe-planner and initiator of this project , Razvan was one of the most active person in writing and improving this guide.
Taking in consideration his implication in this project and his general work in planning establishment in Romania, these accusations are ridiculous.
Therefore, It’s quite strange to me the fact that Razvan should offer to someone any type of explanations. Especially to people that are quite new in Romanian marcom landscape.
Dragii mei,
Nu intervin in discutie, insa EFFIE se scrie cu capitals. E brand….daca va pasa de asta:)
@Stefan Chiritescu… you are completely right… if I have to offer explanations, I’ll do it only in front of the Romanian APG and Romanian IAA…
I refuse writting articles on somebody else’s blog and trying to demonstrate how innocent I am… it is completely hilarious…
@Stefan Kolle… thank you for updating the first update and renouncing at mentioning my linkedin adress…
and just for my personal curiosity:
How many Effies or IPA Awards or APG Awards has mr. Alain Thys in his portfolio?… I tried to google this but I couldn’t find the answer to satisfy my curiosity…
Regarding Ramona… I know her effectiveness& efficiency awards credentials…
http://www.iaa.ro/Articole/Stiri/Un-seminar-in-care-profesionistii-si-au-povestit-experienta-de-castigatori/2487.html
solidaritate IAA… se strange cercul ;)
http://blog.futurelab.net/2009/04/removing_a_blogpost.html
Thank you!
Si uite asa cu batutul asta din gura poate trece si criza.
Poate !
Cat despre publicitatea din Romania , varza.Si inca varza din aceea care miroase…………!
Toti se rup in figuri dar nimeni nu spune ca in realitate toate aceste companii de publicitate sunt niste chestii mai mult sau mai putin subtile de spalat banii.
Toata lumea se fereste sa spuna ca in spate banii se scurg prin “canale subterane” ferite de ochii MF.
CARE-I PROSTU’ CARE ISI INCHIPUIE CA TOATE ACESTE CAMPANII PUBLICITARE POT VINDE UN PRODUS ?
Publicitatea pleaca din strada , din contactul direct dintre o marfa(sau servicii) cu potentialul client.
La noi publicitatea nu este decat o “vrajeala chioara”.
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